tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704573462403312459.post6566294550222418118..comments2024-03-28T06:53:23.473-04:00Comments on Moneyness: Should we legalize the act of paying a bribe?JP Koninghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02559687323828006535noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704573462403312459.post-3172201622394815262023-10-18T21:18:51.624-04:002023-10-18T21:18:51.624-04:00Thank you for writing thisThank you for writing thisRabid Feministhttps://rabidfeminist.tumblr.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704573462403312459.post-48681724172455849062017-06-30T21:58:55.453-04:002017-06-30T21:58:55.453-04:00One thing I'm not understanding is how the giv...One thing I'm not understanding is how the giver of a bribe would be able to prove that the bribe took place. It seems unlikely the government official would provide any sort of receipt to identify the transaction.<br /><br />I suppose for large bribes, or where bribery is a large part of the bribee's income, the same money-laundering problems faced by other criminals would be a problem for them, but I'm not sure that would provide evidence for any individual citizen to use via this policy.<br /><br />Let me know if there's an answer for this problem, or if there's something else I'm missing.<br /><br />Thanks for all your fascinating posts!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704573462403312459.post-30877423733298922502017-04-06T09:36:16.011-04:002017-04-06T09:36:16.011-04:00This circle is the largest anti-corruption communi...This circle is the largest anti-corruption community of India and brings together everyone who wants to get work done in India without paying bribes and the ethical way. You can join to <a href="https://www.localcircles.com/a/html/circles/Fight+Corruption+Together_interest_1429872436.html" rel="nofollow">Fight Corruption</a>, <a href="https://www.localcircles.com/a/html/circles/Fight+Corruption+Together_interest_1429872436.html" rel="nofollow">Bribe</a> and <a href="https://www.localcircles.com/a/html/circles/Fight+Corruption+Together_interest_1429872436.html" rel="nofollow">Corruption in India</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09491159945561988645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704573462403312459.post-63436785164824340602016-12-30T12:49:33.167-05:002016-12-30T12:49:33.167-05:00Would this mean the government officials receiving...Would this mean the government officials receiving the bribe will be more dependent on the bribe giver? Because their fate is in the hands of the bribe giver and the bribe giver can strong-arm the government official if he/she refuses to take the next bribe. So the receiver must continue cooperate and getting the bribes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704573462403312459.post-26509857102261817242016-12-16T14:35:47.965-05:002016-12-16T14:35:47.965-05:00Yes, tax farming was one example, although as Pari...Yes, tax farming was one example, although as Parillo points out, tax farming was more like a "bounty" where officials got a cut for raising money for the state, as opposed to a fee to provide a certain service. But the basic principle was definitely the same.Judge Glockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00766861729897111636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704573462403312459.post-50678396220351603412016-12-16T13:47:01.271-05:002016-12-16T13:47:01.271-05:00Judge, interesting comment.
Seems sort of like t...Judge, interesting comment. <br /><br />Seems sort of like tax farming?<br /><br />http://www.taxworld.org/History/tax_farming.htmJP Koninghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02559687323828006535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6704573462403312459.post-23547792572011265892016-12-15T15:10:26.678-05:002016-12-15T15:10:26.678-05:00This asymmetric punishment was actually the norm i...This asymmetric punishment was actually the norm in the West and in the US until about 200 years ago. Nicholas Parrillo of Yale Law has a great book on this "Against the Profit Motive: The Salary Revolution in American Government, 1780-1940." For one thing, most government officials back in the day didn't earn a salary at all, all payments were fees (what we'd call bribes), and more often than not the fee schedule was purely determined by what the official wanted and the market would bear, say how much an official could demand for a customs inspection or legal filing or land title. Even when there was some statutory or customary limit on the "fees" officials could demand, most courts understood it was no problem for private customers to offer tips or "gratuities" to speed service. The only real legal issue that concerned most officials was "extortion," which meant some deceptive or outlandish or overweening demand for fees. Private citizens of course could only be victims of extortion not participants in it. In the 19th century, however, there was more concern with private individuals "corrupting" officials away from their duties with excessive tips and fees, and it became harder to decide more abstract public interest duties based on some kind of fee schedules (how much land should an official give away in the West? How many immigrants should an official admit?) So all public officials were eventually put on salary and "bribery" (once a minor crime involving certain payments to judges) as well as extortion became illegal. It wasn't until the early 20th century, however, that this became near universal in the US public service.Judge Glockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00766861729897111636noreply@blogger.com